Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. June 2, 2006 October 19, 2011 Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. December 8, 2006 Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Randy Tate June 30, 2019 Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. We are going all the way!" Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. November 12, 2006 But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? 6'1", 170???? He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. Bob P Michael July 15, 2016 snook He served up a home run, and my mother screamed "Lolich, you fat jerk, you stink!!!" Fact is Lolich was always overweight. Bob Jay Cut him some slack. That's more realistic but generous, I think! November 19, 2002 But this one defied all logic from the beginning. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Shari Randy Tate But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? October 19, 2011 God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Raymond Malcuit Jr. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. November 3, 2006 Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. October 18, 2008 April 27, 2013 No contest. Shari I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. He started 45 games and completed 29. February 25, 2003 He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. April 24, 2003 Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. 170 lbs.? Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history:1) Staub for Lolich 2) the Ryan trade 3) the Seaver tradeI believe the Seaver trade was the worst, for obvious reasons. Raymond Malcuit This has never happened before? senor ortiz Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. 6'1", 170???? As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. November 28, 2001 Mickey liked his doughnuts. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. December 20, 2019 I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Raymond Malcuit Man, he was a big one. Raymond Malcuit Jr. Mickey loved his Harley. How many did he own? Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. Some items were recovered. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. He also had a terrific arm and was a darn good fielder. April 27, 2013 October 13, 2008 September 25, 2013 170 lbs.? November 10, 2002 Baked fresh in the in-house bakery, with delicious choices such as salted caramel, vanilla custard or a good traditional raspberry jam. Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. What an interesting parallel, huh? Lolich was a fine pitcher. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. I thought Rusty filled that uniform out pretty well himself! Mike B Max Power March 22, 2005 Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. October 18, 2008 May 24, 2002 Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the September 25, 2013 Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. Although I'd rather have a hitter like Rusty, you have to admit, Mickey Lolich's ERA was a very respectable 3.22. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. Jamey Bumbalo Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. End of Line Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Hey Mets Fan, Lolich never asked to be traded to New York. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. He later resurfaced with the Padres. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Bobster1985 But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. Peter That would make him a star in today's market. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! September 25, 2013 He later came back to play for the Padres. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. Mickey Lolich was born in Portland on Thursday, September 12, 1940 (Silent Generation). He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. or Bruce Kison. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. GoMets2006 Baseball burnt him out. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. He had terrific stuff. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. September 12, 2002 Man, he was a big one. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. =Chuck= MR. Sparkle A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? Poor Mickey. March 22, 2005 I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Bobster1985 Gary from Chesapeake But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Really? Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Mickey loved his Harley. He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. Peter He pitched very good ball for you. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. body would be a pretty slender person. That's more realistic but generous, I think! April 20, 2002 February 25, 2003 HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. 6'1", 170???? They moved from Detroit to Orion.. Medical History of Michigan cited that patients from all over the USA came for treatment. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Mickey loved his Harley. September 25, 2013 308 strikeouts. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Stu Baron The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. Stu Baron Dianna Jeanneh Jones Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. GoMets2006 March 22, 2005 However, it baffled me why the '76 Mets, who had Seaver, Koosman and Matlack, would trade one of their best hitters and an every-day player (and they didn't have that many good hitters) for a fourth or fifth starting pitcher. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. May 6, 2003 In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. August 7, 2002 Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. etc. Mike B Lolich was an outstanding pitcher who had just experienced an off season in Detroit. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. senor ortiz Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. December 20, 2019 So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. What an interesting parallel, huh? But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. bogeyman No contest. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. We are going all the way!" 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. Lolich for Staub---it might be the fattest trade in major league history. He had terrific stuff. (thankfully returning in '81). There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Lolich was a fine pitcher. Lolich was an outstanding pitcher who had just experienced an off season in Detroit. He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. He had terrific stuff. This has never happened before? December 13, 2007 He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. December 20, 2019 I guess the idea that everyone loves a jolly fat guy is true. John Bruce April 23, 2003 Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. October 19, 2011 =Chuck= eddiek Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. April 6, 2012 Hey Mets Fan, Lolich never asked to be traded to New York. August 11, 2015 November 10, 2002 Rusty could hit with the lights out. Rusty played another decade. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. April 27, 2013 Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. I remember Lolich pitching some good ball for the Mets with absolutely NO run support. Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. Jay So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. We are going all the way!" Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. January 12, 2011 What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. June 2, 2006 However, it baffled me why the '76 Mets, who had Seaver, Koosman and Matlack, would trade one of their best hitters and an every-day player (and they didn't have that many good hitters) for a fourth or fifth starting pitcher. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. April 24, 2003 Cy McCaughna built this private resort on M24 near Heights Road in the late 1930s. August 11, 2015 April 24, 2003 How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. That would make him a star in today's market. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. April 30, 2009 Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. Al April 6, 2012 Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. I would put Rusty for Lolich in second place. August 11, 2015 Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. Rusty played another decade. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. He flips his shades to the top of his head, orders a yuppie beer and chats with a group of middle-aged women at the next table. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. What an interesting parallel, huh? The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. LA-Mets bob saunders Raymond Malcuit Jr. April 24, 2003 April 30, 2009 Anybody remember how Rusty looked those last few years in New York? February 28, 2003 A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. August 7, 2018 Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. 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